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Blade Runner: 2049

PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:04 pm
by Concept
What are your thoughts on it?

Personally, I loved it.

Re: Blade Runner: 2049

PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:26 pm
by OffLand
Also loved it. Visually stunning. Perhaps even more so than the original! I have a couple very minor plot gripes but they are so small that they're not even worth mentioning.

I know most people were happy with the soundtrack but I thought it felt rushed. Some sounds and themes were just used far too often. This is probably due to the fact that they scraped Johann Johannson's work so far into the production. I still would like to hear the movie with Johann's score to compare. I hope his music for Blade Runner sees the light of day some time soon.

Re: Blade Runner: 2049

PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:05 am
by Pandemonium
Absolutely loved it!
I consider Blade Runner to be the ultimate sci-fi movie and to me it will always be top3 in the universe :)

The 2049 was almost perfect, definitely a masterpiece, in every aspect, except the soundtrack.

Johnasson's approach was insanely good and original, I was following it for years (interviews and whatnot) - he even made a virtual world of the first part, defining the music from 1982, and tried, using AI, to see how that sound would evolve 30 years into the future - all this while considering factors like in what universe the movies were happening in (USSR still exists and all that jazz...). Then taking all that data and moving further in composition while consulting friends (Biosphere was mentioned). His unreleased soundtrack is a bloody masterpiece - I'd bet real money on that any day!

And then, out of nowhere, he was replaced..?!? Even the director was against replacing him - and that far in... ... I was really angry that day.
And all that hush-hush - no one wasn't (and still isn't) allowed to comment on the situation.

I'm also 99% positive that chunks of Johannson's work ended up in the final version.

And what did we get ? Hans Fucking Zimmer and his padwan student...
Don't get me wrong - Zimmer did a fine job - the actual music is amazing - but it's just a simple continuation of Vangelis' work.

The actual sound editing was close to disaster - and definitely the weakest point in the movie.
The environmental music was placed in all the wrong places, and it was evoking (forceably so) the wrong emotions on the viewer.
Most of the time the music was ominous, dark, danger, double danger and so on... The masterful sounds (that made the first Blade Runner what it is) of awe, curiosity, surprise - are nowhere to be found in 2049.
I may sound a bit too harsh, the movie is still a masterpiece, but it really could've been even MORE.

Re: Blade Runner: 2049

PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:38 pm
by mcbpete
Pandemonium wrote:Johnasson's approach was insanely good and original, I was following it for years (interviews and whatnot) .... And then, out of nowhere, he was replaced..?!?
Yeah I really want to know the story behind this one - It was not only so unexpected but so sudden. Like I'm sure it was still going to be Johansson's score until like a month before release !

Re: Blade Runner: 2049

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:38 pm
by Concept
I don't have as much of a problem with 2049's soundtrack as I thought I would have beforehand. Yeah, it's more abstract, ambient and quite frankly menacing than the music in the original, but that reflects the tone, the hopelessness for the people, in the film. There are some beautiful pieces in there.

I'm interested in knowing what the story is behind Johannson leaving the project because Villeneuve has worked with him in the past. NDA's being what they are, whether it's because he strayed too far from the source or stuck too closely too it, we'll never know.

2049's score does lack the emotional tapestry of the original but maybe that was a once in a life time catch-it-in-the-bottle thing. I can count on one hand the number of film scores that rival Blade Runner's. There were rumours that Vangelis didn't want to do the sequel and felt the world should have been left alone. Before seeing it I would have said the same thing, but afterward, I'd say it's a good pointer on how to do a continuation properly (especially after The Force Awakens). It pays homage to its history but doesn't become enslaved by it and tries to expand the scope and do many of its own things (you could argue it's story, if not the characters, are stronger than the first BR). This is probably why I was more receptive to The Last Jedi compared to some people I know, miseribalist Luke or no, his journey between the OT and the new trilogy does make sense.

Re: Blade Runner: 2049

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:43 pm
by Concept
Pandemonium wrote:Absolutely loved it!
I consider Blade Runner to be the ultimate sci-fi movie and to me it will always be top3 in the universe :)

The 2049 was almost perfect, definitely a masterpiece, in every aspect, except the soundtrack.

Johnasson's approach was insanely good and original, I was following it for years (interviews and whatnot) - he even made a virtual world of the first part, defining the music from 1982, and tried, using AI, to see how that sound would evolve 30 years into the future - all this while considering factors like in what universe the movies were happening in (USSR still exists and all that jazz...). Then taking all that data and moving further in composition while consulting friends (Biosphere was mentioned). His unreleased soundtrack is a bloody masterpiece - I'd bet real money on that any day!


Wow! That sounds amazing. Have you heard his unreleased soundtrack?

Re: Blade Runner: 2049

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:17 pm
by Pandemonium
No, that's why it says "I'd bet real money on that any day!" :)

I hope it will surface someday in some form... :)

Re: Blade Runner: 2049

PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:05 pm
by Concept
Aye. Sorry. Thought you might have had an inside scoop. : )

I wonder if the surfacing of Johannson's score will end up creating various versions of 2049, as with what happened to the original.

Re: Blade Runner: 2049

PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:50 pm
by Pandemonium
Concept wrote:I wonder if the surfacing of Johannson's score will end up creating various versions of 2049, as with what happened to the original.


I can only hope that 'versions' will happen :)

Re: Blade Runner: 2049

PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:05 pm
by mcbpete
Aye, surely if it was never used he could still release it (unless there was some harsh NDA contract), like Coil did with their version of the Hellraiser soundtrack before it got moved to Christopher Young