Here is the whole discussion, if you'd want to join in:
Panda: BIG Like that both Intell Comm releases are ripped with LAME 3.98 encoder in the MP3 versions
Panda: A little criticism for the file naming...
- why all CAPS? and FINAL FINAL FINAL on every track...
instead of something like this:
Brian: Well yes indeed. - that's one you should take up with graham. - left my desk some time back
Haha. Quite funny
Panda: what?
the names or me with my OCD ?
the Drive single looks even worse
Brian: Typical fsol - mix up / confusion /
Actually they both look fine to me. -
MR OCD
Panda: ... ... if you say so
Brian: I suppose you want everything to look the same. - that's cool. - u can change it. -
Panda: they are perfectly written on fsoldigital.com
of course I'll change them
Brian: But then. Surely your changing the art. If you had a Dali painting would you change it to suit yourself. - ??? - kind strange behaviour don't you think ?
Panda: you can't / shouldn't change a physical release -- digital on the other hand -- I wouldn't say the filename is part of the art.
-- you can't have two different names in the filename and in the music-tag on the same filename - I mean you can - it's just not good practice, in general, for customers... I know you get what I mean - why am I writing this
Brian: Ha ha I do. But in this world of increasing digital downloads surely all aspects of it are unique. I mean if u buy from iTunes and only sell through iTunes then u can expect a uniformity - however art sold else where should be treated differently. - I mean I don't like alphsatka 887f - by APX but I wouldn't change it to suit myself.
Panda: there is a certain uniformity on all the big stores I've seen, AFX sure is a special case -- but in the end, they are your files and you can name them what you want -- I thought it was an overlook and someone forgot to write the proper names, that's all...
what would happen if 10% of the artists name the tracks KLUFCGJ 72e^6 like AFX, well, ... that would be an interesting case to observe
Panda: I did make made-up names for ENV1 long-tracks for easier navigation - and everyone fell for it
Brian: Yes I saw that. - the album was like that for a reason. - everything is done for a purpose - whether it's an accident or premeditated - titles artworks music - all come to a final conclusion point - whatever happens then is what it is - as with any art. - my feeling is don't meddle - but as you say with the click of a mouse you can change to suit yourself. If that was a painting on your wall would you be so quick to change it. ? Is it just the value YOU put on music that allows you to do this. ?
Panda: I already said - I wouldn't change the physical release - this is why some collectors hunt misprint rare 12" ... I get all that
Brian: So it's a value thing. ££££
That wrong
Panda: with the digital - it's more like - I need a system to navigate thousands of files...
no it's not the money.. if there is a value here - it's TIME -- I need the fastest system to navigate to what I want to listen
Brian: You should change the way you view digital art. What I or Richard or any of the bigs released a track but only one download - yes it cost $$$ but it was absurdly unique. Would still change it. - you were the lucky winner. - you paid 3000£ - the only copy - but the title was not to your pleasing. - would u change it. - ( gasps )
It's about how you perceive art
Panda: hmm...
I shall meditate on this.
Brian:
Panda: btw the ENV1 tracks were just a joke - I explained everything over there
Brian: I know it's cool but you could have just used times
but cool. - you should open our discussion up to the board. - see what the feeling is. I'm interested.
Panda: Hmm... I will. I'm interested too
Panda: - just some thoughts: [about the initial filename discussion] -- getting the right audio with the right name inside but "wrong" filename - is like getting a Dali framed in a baroque picture-frame -- would you change the frame??
-- or the case where I got broken CD packs on a few CDs on a fsoldigital delivery -- and I changed the broken packs with new ones -- are you saying I changed the art and don't own the original anymore?? -- or that I shouldn't have changed the broken packs at all?? -
how about all those lossy MP3 [compressed cut-of frequencies] releases on fsoldigital? Sure, they are cheaper than physical, but we're not talking about values, we are talking about art and how it shouldn't be touched/changed. -- but in this case, wouldn't you say I buy incomplete audio art ??
[THE NEXT DAY]
Panda: more thoughts this morning -- after a rather sleepless night
Brian: Haha.
Panda: you can't really compare a Dali painting with digital art -- or any painting for that matter -- music industry treats art differently from the rest of the arts -- it sells copies or clones of the original art piece, -- and it can be argued that by changing the filename one makes a more unique copy for oneself, while keeping the original sound
and what you said about you/Richard selling digital art for 1 download only -- that would be different then -- it would be THE original -- still not the same as a painting where you take the original from the artist (while you could keep a digital clone for yourself -- or delete it forever and let the buyer have THE original) -- in that case I wouldn't touch anything in the file -- but having 30.000 digital releases -- I still need my system and fast approach -- so that file will be put in another folder that will be named 'the unique track by xxx' or something...
Brian: Nah. Don't like that. Art is art. What ever the format.
If you choose to change then that's up to you. But you are changing what the artist has done.
Panda: yes we have established that yesterday - now we are taking the philosophical point of view -- what is right or wrong in what circumstances
Brian: Banksy. The artist sells prints of his original. Would u change it because u didn't like a part of it. - music is the same. It about how you perceive the art. Music has become a throw away commodity - wrong. Music has value and should be respected.
What am I - a charity.
Panda: I'll still think about this, even I don't want to -- it's stuck in my brain now...
Brian: Ha. Sorry. See what others think ....
Panda: I don't think we on the same page here - I (think / hope) I get what you're saying -- and you're right -- but changing filename doesn't effect the outcome of the art - the file still has ID3-Tags inside -- it's like changing a broken CD-case with a new one, or getting a new frame for a painting...